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Offline Speedsterautoshift

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desperately seeking a clutch plate
« on: 26 January 2019, 11:30 »
Hi all, our car is all up together and raring to go except the clutch plate have given up the ghost.

Conventional channels are proving impossible and no garage is willing to take the old plate out then wait a week while the old one gets relined.

So even a plate with worn friction faces would be ok as we could get it relined.

Although we would prefer one with a fair amount of wear left in it.

We are in the uk but that doesn't mean we cannot wire the money to you somehow.

PLEASE give us a message.
Regards
John


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Re: desperately seeking a clutch plate
« Reply #1 on: 27 January 2019, 10:38 »
Hi,
Yes finding a new Autostick clutch plate can be difficult or impossible...  and yes, the best way is to reline the  clutch plate....  so, a used plate is needed to be relined... there must be one somewhere....
I can only remember a guy in the US who found a new one, but it measured exactly the same as His old one... as they do not wear like a manual clutch does, as the torque converter helps too... The clutch is either IN or OUT so virtually no slipping unless it is adjusted incorrectly....

best of luck...

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Offline Raymond73

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Re: desperately seeking a clutch plate
« Reply #2 on: 28 January 2019, 23:36 »
This might be more than you are looking to spend (especially with shipping), but EVWparts looks like they have them.

https://www.evwparts.com/vwparts/AutostickTrans/001141031A-Rebuilt.html

https://www.evwparts.com/vwparts/AutostickTrans/001141031A.html
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Re: desperately seeking a clutch plate
« Reply #3 on: 29 January 2019, 08:02 »
There has to be one somewhere John, as many have been wrecked & off the road, plus some have been transformed into Manual cars..  Is it the clutch plate as shown worn out???? or is it the pressure plate that has lost its tension????   as I only know of one owner who bought a new clutch plate only to find it was identical to the used one He had... they shouldn't wear out unless they have done a lot of miles.... &  has been slipping... which they shouldn't be doing... usually in or out...
You should be able to find someone to take the old plate out....  then You can get it refaced at a clutch/brake repairer... I believe the linings are identical to the manual beetle... [one of them]..?
Don't forget to replace the torque converter seal...

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Offline The Keszthely Kid

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Re: desperately seeking a clutch plate
« Reply #4 on: 29 January 2019, 19:26 »
Hola Amigo's,

I can recommend Vintage Car Parts https://www.vintagecarparts.de/liste.php?set_shop=1&set_wg=12&set_markwg=0;84;12

Pricey but what value do you put on quality and peace of mind??
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Offline Speedsterautoshift

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Re: desperately seeking a clutch plate
« Reply #5 on: 31 January 2019, 21:37 »
Hi All,

thanks ever so much for the replies.
Currently a local garage, who we normally only go to for MOTs (roadworthiness testing in the UK) has just struggled the engine and box out of our Speedster.  They really did have trouble doing this.

They initially tried to separate the box from the engine and rang me to ask me about a bolt, about 2 o'clock, looking towards the engine from under the car.  As far as they could tell, the bolt head was tight to the bell housing/torque converter and bits of the box seemed to be there to make it impossible to undo it as a socket would not go on, unlike the other 3 bolts. Even an open ended spanner was not really going to do it.  So I advised them to take the engine and box out together.

So, once everything was disconnected it still took them 2 hours to do this, but it is now on the floor and they still cannot see an obvious way to get the bolt undone.  Of course we can all see brutal ways of doing it, such as welding another nut to the head of the bolt, or cutting away the tiny offending part of the torque converter cover/bellhousing.

So we still don't know what the cause of the problem is.

So I would be enormously grateful if anyone knows anything about this odd bolt and the way in which its head is being deliberately prevented from being removed in any normal way.  Sorry I cannot attach a pic as I didn't take a camera with me when I went to the garage today.

As for the clutch plate, the German place looks good, otherwise there is a company in the UK, Safetek, who say they will reline it.

I take on board all the points made by some of you that it is unlikely to have worn.

Also now worrying about where to get the gasket from that one of you mentioned.  It is being sold so I may just ask them to seal it with some mastic, that black stuff that is now used officially for gaskets but whose name I have forgotten for the moment.

Anyway, thanks again and I'll keep you posted.

Looking forward to reading from you again.

John

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Re: desperately seeking a clutch plate
« Reply #6 on: 01 February 2019, 15:57 »
WOWEEEE!

You guys will not believe this. Finally got the box separated from the engine and the clutch plate out.

Ordinary all makes garage with an interest in American cars and unusual cars, (Google Andy Saunders, really cool guy).

ANYWAY, as couldn't easily find a new or recon clutchplate, am sending it off to a company in Yorkshire, UK, who will reline it for 26 +Vat and carriage.

26!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I cannot believe it!!!

EVWparts want $150 + 75 core charge, for rebuilt or $250 for new!!!  Vintagecarparts.de want 198 exchange.

So, you can see whay I am doing what I am doing.

Now just need to source a seal for the input shaft to the gearbox to stop the ATF leak.

I'll keep you posted, but seriously guys, if you have the same problem, this is the way to go!



I am never paying for a replacement clutch plate ever again.

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Re: desperately seeking a clutch plate
« Reply #7 on: 14 February 2019, 16:02 »
Hi speedster,
glad to hear you found a soruce that will reline your clutch plate for cheap!
As for the torque converter seal VWHeritage in the UK has them. They have two based on year model:

https://www.vwheritage.com/001301083-oil-seal-for-the-transmission-shaft-on-a-automatic-gearbox-vw-spare

https://www.vwheritage.com/001301083b-oil-seal-for-the-transmission-shaft-on-a-automatic-gearbox-vw-spare

Hope this helps