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Title: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 10 January 2011, 03:41
I just thought I'd post a running thread of pics of my transmission adventures.

Originally I hadn't planned to remove the transmission; I was just going to check a few things change fluid and then throw the engine back in.  Well once I was under the car I noticed my CV boots were pretty well rotten so the axles had to come off.  I figured a couple more bolts and I'd pull the whole transmission, clean it up and give it a thorough checkup.  Not quite sure how far I'll go with it but I'll post pics along the way.

To start, all grimy and still in the car:

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSkRjA1wRyI/AAAAAAAAAmE/NRC8HHVZYcw/s800/_001.jpg)

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSkRjRHKt-I/AAAAAAAAAmM/AvqOktr8WuA/s800/_003.jpg)

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSkRjhla-QI/AAAAAAAAAmQ/xV3lpLyLxGc/_008.jpg)

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSpvjrF3LKI/AAAAAAAAAnA/qfmknsZMzg8/s800/_004.jpg)

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSpvj0eOjvI/AAAAAAAAAnE/B4fa15lL6OA/_005.jpg)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 10 January 2011, 03:46
Still grimy but out of the car:

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSkRj3qpEMI/AAAAAAAAAmU/nF9lmp9h_BE/s800/_011.jpg)

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSpvksBa-HI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/JUqBeSJltm0/s800/_012.jpg)

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSpvkATqLGI/AAAAAAAAAnI/fHDjp0kZS0Y/s800/_009.jpg)

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSpvkDg_0WI/AAAAAAAAAnM/5x16atwuc24/s800/_010.jpg)

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSkRt2rYhUI/AAAAAAAAAmc/mtfd953gbT8/s800/_013.jpg)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 10 January 2011, 03:49
The cleaning has begun.  Using Simply Green and every kind of brush I can find.

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSpwe76D_6I/AAAAAAAAAnU/F3Ed41eg3-Y/s800/_015.jpg)

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSpwfVxUqnI/AAAAAAAAAnY/h-v8RGrnNmU/s800/_016.jpg)

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSpwgOSh7oI/AAAAAAAAAnc/n90Oux_gQEM/s800/_017.jpg)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 10 January 2011, 03:50
Almost done with the cleaning:

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSpwgOeWoKI/AAAAAAAAAng/lFoLM-NkPn4/s800/_018.jpg)

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSpwgdOZvUI/AAAAAAAAAnk/FPq8i2adk8A/s800/_019.jpg)

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TSpwj_3H8AI/AAAAAAAAAno/G7nUNDVUs18/_020.jpg)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: 68autobug on 11 January 2011, 14:31


Very nice and clean...
Now... the BIG questions..??   
what color will You paint the starter motor??
what color will You paint the gearbox??
what color will You paint the bottom plate?

I notice you have a drain plug in the plate...
all My drain plugs are in the gearbox bottom...
never actually noticed one in the plate before..
so they actually changed the gearbox and took the drain plug out...

I replaced the two axle seals in the gearbox... and the two plastic discs... only because I stuck a screwdriver in them to get them out..lol

Lee in Australia


(http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/34015/2044281040050767931S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2044281040050767931vEyzMj)

(http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/37168/1156257999050767931S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1156257999050767931wpIWwm)


Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 17 January 2011, 18:10
Well Lee, there is no question that you have the most colourful Autostick in the southern (and northern) hemisphere.  :)

But no worries, I have no plans to contest your title - I'm going for the "au naturel" look.  However I do have some concerns about corrosion so I'll be (re)painting some parts and will likely fog or "RustCheck" the whole thing.
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 17 January 2011, 18:14
...and more dirty parts:

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1R5kKU3I/AAAAAAAAAoM/gsW4dTKHKtY/s800/_001.jpg)

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1SP6NMLI/AAAAAAAAAoQ/GKKAxxHJcO8/s640/_002.jpg)

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1SaKnkII/AAAAAAAAAoU/yJjvV2p5_nk/s640/_003.jpg)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 17 January 2011, 18:15
One of the four CVs was bad:

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1S6kIVDI/AAAAAAAAAoc/sghdXKrl6XI/s640/_006.jpg)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 17 January 2011, 18:17
Bellhousing off:

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1Zq0wJ2I/AAAAAAAAAok/RZ2pTRczw2U/s800/_009.jpg) (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1Z5Cs6wI/AAAAAAAAAoo/D1mMD6TN28Q/s800/_010.jpg)

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1Z0K7jiI/AAAAAAAAAos/IrN1C84156Q/s640/_020.jpg)

Gotta replace the main drive shaft seal:

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTRrnO0DLQI/AAAAAAAAAoA/ohKTOCJC224/s640/Untitled-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 17 January 2011, 18:19
Looks like the clutch has been sitting a bit too long:

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1aLEBXnI/AAAAAAAAAow/UZpJ0O_i1mE/s640/_023.jpg)

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1acgojYI/AAAAAAAAAo0/b-VFCtB-MgI/s640/_024.jpg)

Time to replace it anyway (down to 7.2mm):

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1nEGBJaI/AAAAAAAAApE/2dEDIuya9mw/s640/_034.jpg)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 17 January 2011, 18:21
Axle flanges off so I can replace the seals:

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1nD0RMiI/AAAAAAAAApA/DDfEE556nC8/s640/_032.jpg)

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1m8-2SjI/AAAAAAAAAo8/RTY_W-LMtJ4/s640/_031.jpg)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 17 January 2011, 18:23
Starting to get things cleaned and repainted... Lee, this should make you happy - I little bit of bling.

Front mount:

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1mqwsgPI/AAAAAAAAAo4/cKd-a8WmW20/s640/_025.jpg)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 17 January 2011, 19:12
Just to give folks an idea of what's involved in this undertaking... your experience may/will vary. :)

In my case, so far this is what I'm replacing, where I'm getting the stuff, and roughly the cost:

1x   Sachs clutch                        135 USD          TheSamba.com Classifieds
1x   Release ("throwout") bearing   115 USD          TheSamba.com Classifieds
1x   Main drive ("input") shaft seal  15 USD            eVWParts.com
2x   Axle flange seal                     7 USD each      eVWParts.com
1x   CV joint (OE)                        60 CAD            cip1.ca
4x   CV boots w/ grease               10 CAD each     cip1.ca
2x   CV lock ring                          1 CAD each      cip1.ca
1x   Nose cone boot                     7 CAD             cip1.ca
2x   Rear mounts                         9 CAD             cip1.ca
1x   Pan gasket                           8 CAD             cip1.ca
1x   Torque converter seal            23 CAD            cip1.ca
1x   RH12W vacuum hose              21 USD/meter   Belmetric.com

1x   1" copper crush gasket for drain plug        local
2x   oring for bellhousing studs                      local
1x   M20 spring lock washer for frame horn       local
3liters 80W90W GL5 Hypoid gear oil                local

...plus degreaser, cleaners, grease, paint, shipping, taxes, etc ...I'm up to about $500CAD
...plus beer, well let just say a bit more than 500 :)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: 68autobug on 21 January 2011, 05:30
Quote from: jayson.devries on 17 January 2011, 18:23
Starting to get things cleaned and repainted... Lee, this should make you happy - I little bit of bling.

Front mount:

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TTR1mqwsgPI/AAAAAAAAAo4/cKd-a8WmW20/s640/_025.jpg)

Holy Cow Batman....
look at that color...... Metallic too....   and I only have Gray ones...
so, Jayson,  You have beat Me on front mounts.... lol
Excellent job...
axles are also easy too...   and the clutch servo...
I'll have to be into the metallic colors now....  ;D

Those prices Jayson are the cheapest I've seen anywhere...

that ball in the CV joint was bad I use MOLY lithium based grease in CV Joints and anywhere else..

I see You are using Belmetric hose...  Too hard to paint those... lol

cheers


LEE in Australia



Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 31 January 2011, 02:04
New clutch disk and throwout (release) bearing arrived.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYEVkquMlI/AAAAAAAAA3o/IGrBmeh6DqM/s800/clutch-disc-1.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568142757956825682

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYF6pkDDqI/AAAAAAAAA38/WWwe3MuKGCg/s800/throwout-bearing-4.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568144494437797538

Old clutch (VW #001 141 031X) on the left, new one (SACHS #1864 241 003) on the right.

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYEV3WOoVI/AAAAAAAAA3s/ewwJgUPbjDQ/s800/clutch-disc-2.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568142762971144530

I was surprised that the new SACHS clutch is only about 8mm thick.  There was probably still a lot of miles in the old clutch but I figured I might was well replace it while I'm at it.

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYJ4IyeLYI/AAAAAAAAA4I/tGahHcEP1AE/s800/clutch-disc-3.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568148849326697858

New throwout bearing on the right (SACHS 3151 136 001) is identical to the original (left).

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYFWgCy-QI/AAAAAAAAA30/_eu_Bp85ZK0/s800/throwout-bearing-2.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568143873407121666

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYFW9QQv4I/AAAAAAAAA34/EniXIerT9_w/s800/throwout-bearing-3.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568143881248227202
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 31 January 2011, 02:15
Starter cleaned, pulled apart and ready for paint.

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYMTfC2IrI/AAAAAAAAA4Q/WxHSZxI5u1Q/s800/starter-1.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568151518180680370

Axle flanges cleaned up.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYMToGOgYI/AAAAAAAAA4U/H7pqPvVY980/s800/axle-flanges-1.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568151520610779522

Oil pan cleaned and painted.

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYMT3m2pCI/AAAAAAAAA4Y/7PEERex6Odk/s800/oil-pan-1.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568151524774159394
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 31 January 2011, 02:45
My replacement torque converter seal is different than the original.  The original (orange, left) is marked with VW-Audi and part #001 301 083 B - the replacement is NAK and the same part number.  Besides the fact that they are made from different types of rubbers (I'm betting the VW one is neoprene and better quality), the structure of the rubber is slightly different.  It's a bit hard to tell in the pictures, but the shoulder on the NAK is all rubber where the outer shoulder on the VW is part of the metal ring.  This makes the NAK a bit more pliable.  I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not.  Also, the inner lip on the NAK is a bit wider.  All diameters measure the same so I'm sure the part will work, but whether it'll hold up like the original has yet to be seen.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYO856RKaI/AAAAAAAAA4g/qzKDFukrgKU/s800/torque-converter-seal-1.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568154428790352290

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYO87pnLkI/AAAAAAAAA4k/7P7Cx4pw4ec/s800/torque-converter-seal-2.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568154429257363010

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYO9FWNmdI/AAAAAAAAA4o/KPs7qYmZ9Zg/s800/torque-converter-seal-3.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568154431860349394

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUYO9j4h1QI/AAAAAAAAA4s/DRMY_ZnyPhE/s800/torque-converter-seal-4.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568154440057345282
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: 68autobug on 31 January 2011, 11:42


Well Jayson,
You make colored/painted parts look bad after You have polished them...
and pulled the starter motor apart....!!   YIKES...
I have two spares I can work on....
I may polish them and paint them with clear paint...!!

Excellent photos too....
those axle parts look great too....
Your locking tabs look plastic where as mine are steel...

If I ever take My bottom plate off I will get a plug put into it...
as mine has NONE...
I may get it done to one of the spares...

Great work Jayson...

If You ever need a starter motor pinion....
a company in Australia usually has them on ebay all the time...
One of Mine is just about worn out....
I believe it was from a fully automatic type 2 -3 or 4...??

LEE


Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: 68autobug on 31 January 2011, 11:47

Hi
I forgot about the torque converter oil seals...
The 083B seal is a smidgen smaller id than the early 083 seals... [a smidgen is very small]
I took a newish red seal out of a spare gearbox and it was a slightly different shape to the originals...
same id and OD....
so long as the seals are lubricated with ATF when installed they should both last a long time...
The original VW ones were Red or black....

cheers

LEE



Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 02 February 2011, 01:11
Lee, here's a pic of the flip side of my pan.  You can see VW welded on a sturdy chunk to support the threads.  You could certainly do something similar by welding a nut to the inside.

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUigFwxEKkI/AAAAAAAABAU/SI1ZzIN-jQE/s800/oil-pan-2.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568876960094104130

When I first saw the drain plug I was surprised at how large it was.  Maybe because they wanted to still keep it a 17mm hex.  To give you an idea of the size, the copper crush ring is about 24mm ID.

My OEM plug is non-magnetic (maybe it was magnetic at some point but it's not anymore).  I'm considering sticking a rare-earth magnet to the outside (up inside the 17mm hole).  I don't think it'll fall off and it should magnetize the whole plug (and likely part of the pan) and help to pick up any nasties in the oil.
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 02 February 2011, 01:23
On the weekend I screwed out the neutral switch, peaked inside and didn't like what I saw - there was some kind of gritty crud on the shift lever.  I found myself once again muttering the phrase "while I'm at it I might as well..."  So I removed the shift lever housing to find a lot more gunk/grit puddled on the bottom.

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUdrW-OGQDI/AAAAAAAAA5I/KQUidaVlXkU/s640/shift-lever-housing-1.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568537506670329906

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUdrXL-muhI/AAAAAAAAA5M/K8P4Nrqb9uU/s640/shift-lever-housing-2.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568537510363445778

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUdrXEePloI/AAAAAAAAA5Q/9CrJ3Ho2rdg/s640/shift-lever-housing-3.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568537508348663426

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUdrXsljeiI/AAAAAAAAA5U/JZN-enmaUbs/s640/shift-lever-housing-4.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568537519116745250

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUdrX6YZFAI/AAAAAAAAA5Y/8XvO3A9xskk/s640/shift-lever-housing-5.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568537522819634178

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUdrfsMeTII/AAAAAAAAA5c/TxH3XmRrKZ8/s640/shift-lever-housing-6.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568537656450501762

Although the grit looks a bit like sand it's not as hard (which was a bit of a relief).  The grit won't stick to a magnet - in fact, it looks similar to the "shellac" buildup you'd find at the bottom of an old gas tank.  I guess it could be some kind of breakdown/buildup of the gear oil, or some kind of contamination, or maybe even something that found it's way down through the vent hole.  So I don't know what it is or where it came from but I do know I gotta get it outta there.

I didn't see any trace of this gunk around the differential but I'm guessing the gear cluster housing could be hiding some too.  So I've now gotta decide if I want to turn off the pinion retaining nut, press out the gear cluster and flush that housing too - I'm not to keen on going that far.  Hmmm, but that would make it easier for me to replace the main drive shaft seal.  I think I need to sleep on it.
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: 68autobug on 02 February 2011, 05:50

Excellent pics again Jayson...
all the differentials I have looked at look were very clean...
I suppose they should be sloshing all that oil around...

well I haven't looked inside my neutral switch hole.... lol

but I have replaced the bush and seal on the shaft right at the end....

I don't know where I would get a 17mm nut and thread like that..???

I have the fan shroud off My engine at the moment... but its 42.8C degrees outside...
and 25C inside the house..... so, naturally I don't feel like going outside....  lol

cheers

LEE




Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 02 February 2011, 21:04
I think I'd take 40C right now - last night was -17C (-20C with windchill), actually one of the warmer days we've had this week.  Luckily I have a heated garage.

As followup on the "magnet in the drain plug" idea - it doesn't work.  I tried it with a very strong magnet (rare earth), filing it to 17mm hex to fit snugly in the hole.  Turns out that the plug acts as a shield and very little of the magnetic field actually gets through to the inside of the plug.  Kinda surprising but also kinda makes sense.  I had to break the magnet up in to little pieces in order to get it out.

Maybe I'll try to magnetize the whole plug.
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 02 February 2011, 21:10
I'm still unsure of the source of the crud in my shift lever housing but I think it's isolated to that area.  I removed the oil fill plug and peaked in the gear housing and it all looked pretty clean ... so I don't plan to open it up.

My shift lever (I guess I should call it a "hockey stick" 'cause I am from Canada eh) doesn't look so good though.  It's corroded and very worn where it contacts the neutral safety switch.  I guess I should have been tipped off by the fact that the previous owner had the wires shorted together, bypassing the switch.  So now I'm hunting for a replacement hockey stick.  By the looks of the corrosion I'd better replace the shaft seal while I'm at it.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUmzRZDcyuI/AAAAAAAABAc/u8XrXPi2Rjk/s800/shift-lever-1.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5569179525584833250

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUmzR4iJVmI/AAAAAAAABAg/0btOxs40CcI/s800/shift-lever-2.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5569179534035080802
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 02 February 2011, 21:33
Some days I feel like I'm taking one step forward and two back on this transmission job... but I did make good progress on the starter. 

It's been cleaned, painted, greased, sealed and ready for install.

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUdrGbsfQ1I/AAAAAAAAA48/rWe1ay6Rbr8/s800/starter-2.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568537222524650322

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_leVniXqObMk/TUdrGto5_rI/AAAAAAAAA5A/QYuNlBI4lSs/s800/starter-3.jpg)
http://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5568537227341463218
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: 68autobug on 03 February 2011, 13:30

EXCELLENT WORK AS USUAL JAYSON....
great photographs too..

I haven't taken any of My starters apart as yet..
I have two spares so maybe I should pull one apart..
the one with the worn pinion....
I think its slightly longer than the other two,,,
and they are all painted black... maybe a nice metallic color would be better... lol

I like all My bits to be clean and painted...
I have noticed that many beetle owners don't bother with keeping their engine either clean
or clean with a lot of paint missing...  or both... lol

but I keep all MY engines [non VW] clean...  but don't paint them... lol

keep up the excellent work Jayson

Do You think the pitting on the hockey stick would stop the neutral switch from working???
The standard manual bushing and seal fit on the end... CIP1..

cheers

Lee in Australia...   40.5C today.... lol  [outside]


Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: Detroit68 on 16 April 2011, 02:43
Jason - Great work love your pictures ... I just got into my Auto stick transmission its intalled but i dont know if i have all the external parts or if there hooked up correctly to work ( mine grinds and does not go in to gear ). Have you started to hooks your back up ? do you have pictures of it ? i really am looking for pictures on one that is wired and hooked up the correct way , Thanks.
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 17 April 2011, 18:35
Hey Detroit68,

I haven't yet reinstalled my trans.  Been chasing other distractions.

From my limited experience I've seen a few different wiring configurations depending on the model/year and/or country.

The earlier models (late 60s) had two ATF temp senders and a temp switch to choose between the two.  Then they had later models (early 70s?) with only one temp sender (and of course no need for a switch).  And I know they also had some without any temp senders (like mine) where the hole is plugged, see pic below (so no wire and no ATF light on the speedo).

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TasTqvbbkDI/AAAAAAAABGg/mUxB5QOtg54/s800/no-ATF-temp-sendor.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596588586944925746 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596588586944925746)

I believe all had a neutral safety switch (??).  And I've heard some countries didn't have a reverse switch.

From your handle I'm guessing your autostick is a 1968 US model - so I bet it has ALL the switches: two temp senders, a temp switch, a neutral safety switch and a reverse switch.

I'll post in the Technical section all the electrical diagrams that I have - once I do I'll update this thread with a link.

Good luck!


======
Updated
A few electrical diagrams here: http://www.vwar.org/forum/index.php?topic=1214.0
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 17 April 2011, 21:33
So lately I've been somewhat negligent in making progress on my autostick.  I've been distracted by other tasks including redoing my rear suspension and brakes.  It was yet another one of those, while I've got thing apart I might as well...

So new bushings, brakes, bearings, seals, dampers, paint....

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/Tar77x5RqmI/AAAAAAAABFw/AR4vaJrTIFY/s800/rear-suspension.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596562491385686626 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596562491385686626)

I'm also building a new 1600cc.  My old engine was a 1300cc with double heat risers.  My new exhaust has single risers so I needed a different intake manifold.  I bought a new manual manifold and added the 13mm vacuum port (a piece of thin wall 1/2" brass tube).  I don't have welding equipment so I went with JB Weld - seems to have worked fine.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TYdx0CLNhaI/AAAAAAAABDc/1ZeC-djaCW8/s800/intake-manifold-3.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5586559001527420322 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5586559001527420322)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TYdx0CeAKHI/AAAAAAAABDk/5glRSfdFKUQ/s800/intake-manifold-2.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5586559001606236274 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5586559001606236274)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TYdx0KzFtlI/AAAAAAAABDg/r0HQ-YVpClU/intake-manifold-1.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5586559003842164306 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5586559003842164306)

Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 17 April 2011, 22:02
Back to the trans...

I sealed up and sandblasted the case with 00 media.  I didn't have a cabinet so I built one.  It retains the sand and keeps much of the dust down.  After using it for a bit I've got lots of ideas for improvements and plan to make a better one with vacuum dust collection.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TVU5EO7oRqI/AAAAAAAABBA/jZROBsft7oM/s800/blasting-box.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5572422858831316642 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5572422858831316642)

I replaced the old warn-out hockey stick with a used one that is slightly less warn:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TatBvgCHEGI/AAAAAAAABHk/AnDwuqLULRY/s800/shift-lever-3.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596639246246416482 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596639246246416482)

...and a used nose cone with new gasket, seal and bushing:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TasgJVNDwvI/AAAAAAAABGo/wx7Q5L3b29g/s800/nose-cone-installed.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596602306620801778 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596602306620801778)

With the replacement nose cone I had to cut a pin out from inside.

Discussion thread: http://www.vwar.org/forum/index.php?topic=1182.0

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TWr4Z1zk7hI/AAAAAAAABBo/Gl488yRG3KE/s800/nose-cone-pin-1.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5578544211275607570 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5578544211275607570)

I replaced the axle flange seals and reinstalled the flanges:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TasgJ3fGmYI/AAAAAAAABGw/F4CI_UvmkVE/s800/axle-flanges-installed.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596602315823290754 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596602315823290754)

I also had quite an adventure replacing the input shaft seal.

Discussion thread: http://www.vwar.org/forum/index.php?topic=1160.0

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/Tar774Due4I/AAAAAAAABFo/_F9j1H8mSZg/s800/input-shaft-seal-puller-success.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596562493040130946 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596562493040130946)

Now finally installing a new clutch and throwout bearing:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TasgJreClmI/AAAAAAAABGs/D7m7Pm71UWo/s800/clutch-throwout-installed.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596602312597608034 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5596602312597608034)

Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: 68autobug on 25 April 2011, 19:30
Hi Jayson,
great photographs as usual..
that media blaster is excellent...  makes the parts look even better than new.... lol
I have not heard of an autostick gearbox Not having a heat sender...
then again the lights never seem to come on..
unless You are pulling a big heavy trailer up hills... ?? Maybe...

Neutral safety switch is mandatory in most countries....
Reverse lamps were not compulsory in Australia until around 1972-73...
so not fitted until then...

cheers

Lee


Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 27 April 2011, 02:54
I took a break from the transmission to finish up my rear brakes:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdkKViLTMI/AAAAAAAABII/JFK25wHdfzQ/s720/rear-brakes-1.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600054790400462018 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600054790400462018)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdkK4NMQvI/AAAAAAAABIM/id1GFS7PORQ/s720/rear-brakes-2.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600054799707685618 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600054799707685618)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 27 April 2011, 02:56
I finally got my autostick reassembled.  I didn't have a clutch alignment tool but was lucky enough to find two sockets which fit together and worked perfectly.

Lots of shots from various angles...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdlO5w4iyI/AAAAAAAABIU/04TLcWJV-hw/s720/autostick-01.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600055968356928290 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600055968356928290)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdlPyGaWeI/AAAAAAAABIY/Jts0rZqVEDQ/s720/autostick-02.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600055983479609826 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600055983479609826)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdlQjEFpII/AAAAAAAABIc/pKlrsfnCgJc/s720/autostick-03.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600055996623201410 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600055996623201410)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdlRI3QDBI/AAAAAAAABIg/uUGG2PlJGnE/s720/autostick-04.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056006769904658 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056006769904658)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdlR72xIPI/AAAAAAAABIk/EX_xzAjOfJk/s720/autostick-05.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056020458086642 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056020458086642)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdlSisv2kI/AAAAAAAABIo/4e9BNfwto1Q/s720/autostick-06.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056030885042754 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056030885042754)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdlTSLQWRI/AAAAAAAABIs/JjY0vSpw92Y/s720/autostick-07.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056043629467922 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056043629467922)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdlUwrgwyI/AAAAAAAABI0/uOF2RinlAiE/s720/autostick-08.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056068997694242 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056068997694242)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdlUH5iEKI/AAAAAAAABIw/T5Q7gP1Ru2o/s720/autostick-09.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056058050646178 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056058050646178)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdlVssne6I/AAAAAAAABI4/KHk0lRnVMhc/s720/autostick-10.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056085108456354 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056085108456354)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 27 April 2011, 03:02
And just for fun.... here are some gratuitous and juicy autostick glam shots :)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdmBtCxY1I/AAAAAAAABI8/glPZTqILEMU/s720/autostick-glam-01.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056841115624274 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056841115624274)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdmCFKUjaI/AAAAAAAABJA/TxiuKe8sEzw/s720/autostick-glam-02.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056847589739938 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056847589739938)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdmDMf00KI/AAAAAAAABJE/CBgVR_2HMTA/s720/autostick-glam-03.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056866738852002 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056866738852002)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdmDRCeSsI/AAAAAAAABJI/K1pjGvQK3ck/s720/autostick-glam-04.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056867957918402 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056867957918402)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdmENr7ItI/AAAAAAAABJM/KvLqlTbquPM/s720/autostick-glam-05.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056884237902546 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056884237902546)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdmEUFOB1I/AAAAAAAABJQ/RmJjzd67goE/s720/autostick-glam-06.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056885954611026 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056885954611026)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdmFD-vMeI/AAAAAAAABJU/ZGJ-9p2XA_o/s720/autostick-glam-07.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056898812326370 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056898812326370)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TbdmFgB9CaI/AAAAAAAABJY/YaqRZmH3pXo/s720/autostick-glam-08.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056906342009250 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5600056906342009250)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: 68autobug on 27 April 2011, 04:42

WOW JAYSON...  GLAMOROUS   ..... YES

I Love the photographs....

are You going to coat anything with clear paint etc...??

that is the nicest clutch arm I've seen...

You have done an excellent job with the starter motor and clutch servo too....

I've replaced all My bolts with grade 8.8 Hi Tensile and most are zinc coated ..

that blaster is doing an excellent job...

My Son has a bought one and it didn't work properly... He had to modify it...

I'm not sure He even uses it now??


cheers


LEE




Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 12 May 2011, 01:27
I've installed the transmission in the car.  I've left the aluminum case in the raw to oxide naturally.  For any exposed metal like nuts and bolts I've used Fluid Film (http://www.fluid-film.com/).

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TcsULzw2epI/AAAAAAAABKk/Bh8Hm0-gt3Q/s720/Trans-installed-1.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596354298935954 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596354298935954)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TcsUKlGqdXI/AAAAAAAABKg/_8Ooa74oTIQ/s720/Trans-installed-2.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596333184021874 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596333184021874)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TcsUKVR4KrI/AAAAAAAABKc/c92qfZTWBg0/s720/Trans-installed-3.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596328936090290 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596328936090290)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TcsUIkT9h4I/AAAAAAAABKQ/ihcnrj2EdWg/s720/Trans-installed-5.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596298611623810 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596298611623810)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TcsUJ0vXIwI/AAAAAAAABKY/rVA5ncQ-5fY/Trans-installed-4.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596320201384706 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596320201384706)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: jayson.devries on 12 May 2011, 01:30
The CVs and axles were next:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TcsUM-w8-8I/AAAAAAAABKo/UHyKCsBRiCg/s720/CVs.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596374432021442 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596374432021442)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TcsUNJTInYI/AAAAAAAABKs/hBYbSVMmIeI/s720/Axles.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596377259744642 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596377259744642)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TcsUIttJLsI/AAAAAAAABKU/aAMxqWR1Tew/s720/Axles-installed-1.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596301133164226 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596301133164226)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_leVniXqObMk/TcsUIf_TpxI/AAAAAAAABKM/ob3V4M4Q6Vs/s720/Axles-installed-2.jpg)
https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596297451251474 (https://picasaweb.google.com/jayson.devries/1973VolkswagenSuperBeetle#5605596297451251474)
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: arcadeforever on 16 October 2012, 21:09
Jayson, Great pictures, what is your current status?

regards,
Wayne
Title: Re: Transmission, Starter & Axles - removal, checkup and reinstall
Post by: 68autobug on 03 November 2012, 02:53
Hi Jayson
I'm just blown away by Your photos and the actual work You have done.. Possibly the best I can remember.
Just like from the factory before it was put together..

Excellent work...
I just love what you have done to individual parts..
and its easy to see how everything has been dismantled and painted and then bolted back together..

cheers

LEE in Australia