Hey guys , thought i would start a thread of my '72 Semi auto has a bit of work to do but i am looking forward to it all , and with your help it should be on the road again soon . poor thing has been neglected for a while :(........so here he is at the moment >>>>>> MEET OSCAR !!!
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Ok so when i picked him up the engine was seized and i started surgery immediately......
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He came with a box of bits that i had to sort through to see if all was there :
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As mentioned in a previous thread what i found inside the cylinders what shocking :o
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Yes there was wood screws and all types of other metal objects in there ....seems like the previous owner was a victim of some SABOTAGE!!!
After finding these things i needed to split the case to see the extent on the damage inside ....
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I found that the middle bearing was seized and now i will need to re grind the crank shaft and replace all the main bearings also going to clean out all the main oil ways .
Tomorrow i will clean the case and check for any cracks or warping . Hopefully all will be well and i can use the same case so the numbers match .....
anyone else see any pics on here????
they say they have be deleted by photobucket when I look
can You see them????
Lee
Hi Lee , You should be able to see the pics now . ;D
Hopefully !
Yes the Photos are BACK
never ever seen things like that in an engine before...YIKES
I see You are in the UK... hence the 1300 twin port engine...
which were common in Europe..
only 1600 in most countries outside Europe..
LEE
LEE
Very very nice! ;D
I would give my left nut to have your knowledge and skill to disassemble and rebuild a VW engine. I get the shakes just looking at all those parts on the ground.
Good luck with your project and I hope it turns out exactly as you want.
Quote from: autonewbie on 08 December 2011, 03:32
I would give my left nut to have your knowledge and skill to disassemble and rebuild a VW engine. I get the shakes just looking at all those parts on the ground.
Good luck with your project and I hope it turns out exactly as you want.
Thats a great compliment thank you ! , honestly this is the first engine i have done before this i only new where to put the gas and how to drive it , but with the help of forums, books and good ol' youtube i now believe anyone who truly wants to do it can. give it a go its really fun ;D ;D ;D
ok so heres an update .....I started to clean the case to see if there was any damage i.e cracks warps etc and all is good so i CAN have my numbers matching .
this was fun :o
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After cleaning (not yet fully done ::) ) I already new that i would need the crank shaft regrinding so i took the case, the crank and the 2 heads down to the machine shop .They said the case would need a line bore too. So now i have left all the parts there to have the work done , Should be Monday when i get them back . Also the heads are going to be reconditioned and bored for the 1600 barrels. Until then i am going to start cleaning the manifolds, petrol pump and carb that should keep me busy until then.......
Hey was wondering if anyone can help me as to what model Oscar is ; I am looking to get a new rear wing and want to know if it is a 1302 or a 1303 wing i need to get or maybe none of those , i also need a new front valance but don't know which one to get i see some have holes in ??? . you can see the rear wing and front valance from the top pics i posted .
Many thanks for your help
Roger
Hi
Yes Your Beetle is a 1302S Super beetle....
cheers
LEE
Quote from: 68autobug on 10 December 2011, 20:43
Hi
Yes Your Beetle is a 1302S Super beetle....
cheers
LEE
Hi Lee thanks for the reply . I have been asking on some other forums and they are saying its a standered beetle ??? but you seem to know semi auto stuff better then them .What makes you say that it is a 1302s super beetle and what is the difference ? Thanks my friend .
I thought super beetles had a curved windshield. Your windshield looks flat to me. In the USA flat equals standard beetle. Unless there is an exception I am not aware of. Please correct me if that is the case here.
I always thought:
Mcpherson strut and flat windscreen = 1302
Mcpherson strut and curved windscreen = 1303
Beam and flat windscreen = 1300
You may very well be right. I know from nothing about struts etc. I only heard/read about curved vs. flat windshields. I should have know it couldn't be as simple as that.
Thanks for the update!
Hmmm,
Looks like a '70 or '71 standard to me :o . It's got the engine lid of either one of those two models, two colour tombstones like I have ('72 they introduced reversing lights here in OZ) and I *think* that bonnet isn't as "fat" as a Superbeetle.
What do the VIN numbers say? They are under the back seat on the trans tunnel just in front of the gear coupling inspection plate FYI.
Open the bonnet and tell us whether the spare tyre is upright or lying flat! that'll be another clue...
Regards
Volkenstein
Well i went down to get my crank, heads and case back on Monday :D Unfortunately the heads were cracked so had to get new ones but the crank came back all re ground and the case is now line bored ;D ;D. Next i am going to clean up the case properly and respray it but i guess this wont happen untill the new year now as Christmas has take over the house now ::).........
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Thanks for looking
Quote from: volkenstein on 13 December 2011, 11:00
Hmmm,
Looks like a '70 or '71 standard to me :o . It's got the engine lid of either one of those two models, two colour tombstones like I have ('72 they introduced reversing lights here in OZ) and I *think* that bonnet isn't as "fat" as a Superbeetle.
What do the VIN numbers say? They are under the back seat on the trans tunnel just in front of the gear coupling inspection plate FYI.
Open the bonnet and tell us whether the spare tyre is upright or lying flat! that'll be another clue...
Regards
Volkenstein
Hey Volkenstein ,
Thanks for your reply , the spare tyre is upright , and i am now of the understanding that the car is a "standerd" beetle.
thanks for your help.
Roger
Over here in the u.s. it goes like this: vw made standard beetles (1300-beam and flat windsheild) all the way up to and including 73. In 71 the super beetle was introduced (1302- macpherson strut and flat windshield) that only lasted two years. In 73 the super beetle (1303) kept the struts and got the curved windshield. The curved windshield and struts stayed for good after 73 as there were no standard (1300) beetles offered in 74-later.....that being said, my first aircooled was a 73 standard beetle w a flat windshield and every shop and mechanic told me I had some crazy mixed up bug that was a 72 w a 73 engine and 73 interior, I finally found a old timer vw mechanic who explained what vw did. All the numbers matched and it was a true 73 standard :)
HI
it looks like I got the model wrong.. Just had another look at the pic, and it is hard to pick with those early US bumpers on it.
although, if I had put a pic of a superbug next to it I probably would have picked it..
as the Superbug did have a Bulging bonnet..
The autosticks had the IRS rear end before the supers used it...lol
very nice looking beetle. I do like the early bumpers look..
cheers
Lee in Australia
Hope you all had a great Christmas and wishing you all a fantastic New Year !!!! ;D ;D ;D
Ok so heres the update i finished cleaning the engine case and decided i would never be able to get it back as clean as i truly wanted it so decided to spray it ;D ;D ;D I used an engine spray and also an engine lacquer so all should be fine ....
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BELOW IS A BEFORE SHOT .
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I think you will agree a huge difference ;D
also just ordered my pistons and barrels ...Mahle 1600's they arrive Monday 8) 8) 8).... so i guess the rebuild will be happening very soon ;D ;D ;D
Thanks for looking guys .....
EXCELLENT WORK..
and My favorite engine color... lol
makes it easier to keep clean too..
cheers
Lee in Australia
Thanks Lee ;D ;D ;D your comments are much appreciated
Me too i love red engines , they look mean !!!!! 8) 8)
Take care
Roger
Well this is my Saturday afternoon planned out , should be fun . ;D ;D ;D
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well all went great got the case closed today and all movement is nice and smooth ;D ;D ;D next week i will do the pistons, barrels and heads .
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Thanks for looking
;)
Oh forgot to add all nuts on case torqued to 30 ft lbs for anyone who wants to know and in an even format i.e 2 centre ones first then across the case to insure the case is closed evenly .
Also nuts on the con rods to 30ft lbs
;)
Ok heres a photo update for you guys let me know what you think .
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I took the manifolds, the alternator stand and the oil cooler stand to get soda blasted and they turned out really good . very happy with the result .
Thanks for looking .
Hi
EXCELLENT WORK..
and it looks great...
I've never ever split My engine...
had the barrels and heads off etc...
I do have a spare engine I should pull apart one day...
Firstly painting Your engine, everything Must be perfectly clean [as You know]
and its a lot easier to keep clean and looks better anyway..
looks like You know what You are doing...
cheers
LEE in Australia
ok heres an update guys ,
Today i went over to a friends house and we put together the rest of the engine ;D ;D its now ready to go in yey !!!!! ;D ;D ;D
we managed to make a tool to hold the flex plate in place while we torqued up the gland nut ( i will post pics of it another time ) it was basically an old oil pump cover with an extra hole drilled into it and we screwed it in to the engine case and into the flex plate , a very crude tool but it did the job just fine.
Below are some pics of the engine as it stands , now all i have to do is work out how i am going to get it in to the car :-\
But i cant wait to hear her start up , will keep you posted .
Thanks for reading guys
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YEY !!!!! the engine went back in yesterday , WHAT A JOB !!!!!! :o Well you certainly live and learn with these cars !! When we tried to put the engine back in first i had the torque converter already attached to the flexplate and no matter how hard we pushed it would just not go in , it was about 1/2 an inch short of us getting the nut on to the thread >:(......SOOOOO we decided to take it back out and place the torque converter first the attach the flexplate through the access windows in the bell housing , and it went in great . HALLELUJAH !!!!!!! ;D
So i guess that the way it needs to be done Torque convertor first then engine in . You live and learn ;D
HEre are some pics hope you enjoy
me replacing the rubber engine bay seals (another nightmare job )
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engine in place ;D ;D ;D
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On Saturday i plan to start it up just need to connect all the electrics and finishing touches and then hear the fruits of my labour ....... ;D
Will keep you all updated thanks for reading
Hi
The torque converter needs to be aligned with two seperate splined shafts, that is probably why it wouldn't go on.
and Yes that is the normal way to fit it, and why there are those square holes to insert the special screws
and the manuals also stress not to drop any screws into the bell housing, but I have never had any problems.
Did You need to turn the torque converter slightly to align the splined shafts?
cheers
LEE
http://community.webshots.com/user/vw68autobug
Quote from: FlamingChris on 12 December 2011, 18:53
I always thought:
Mcpherson strut and flat windscreen = 1302
Mcpherson strut and curved windscreen = 1303
Beam and flat windscreen = 1300
Hi
First beetles up to 1965 in USA were king and link pin front end and swing rear axles.
then VW in Germany started the changes that resulted in the 1967 one year beetle and all the changes in 1968.
In Australia We went from the 1962 model beetle with very few changes until 1968.. all with flat windscreens..
than the 1302S arrived with the flatish windscreen [actually it isn't flat and only fits in one way]
then the 1303S in 1973 with the large curved windscreen with all the changes to meet USA regulations which didin't eventuate.
in Australia, We also had the NON Super beetles from 1971 to 1974 all with swing rear axles like the early beetles.
and in 1976 the 1303S was replaced by a NON Super flat windscreen beetle similar to the 1968 beetle but with the rear suspension of the autosticks. All other non supers in Australia had the old swing rear axle suspension.
Word has it that the 1976 beetles were made from parts left over in the Factory, from the 1974 NON Supers with rear suspension from the SUPERBEETLES plus the padded flat dash... whether this IS correct I don't know..??
cheers
LEE
Quote from: 68autobug on 19 July 2012, 15:31
Did You need to turn the torque converter slightly to align the splined shafts?
cheers
LEE
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yes just had to jiggle it slightly to get it lined up ...... man i wish i knew that before i had tried for 2 hours ,scratching my had as to why i could not get it in lol
thanks for all your help
Roger
its alive ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
http://youtu.be/unHrMUzLCgc
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the black buggy is a friend of mines who also has a 68 bug ;D
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