Hi. I am new to this website and found a post on the correct vacuium line positioning for the auto stick but was a little confused with the pictures. I just want to make sure I have it correct. On the back of the carbureator, there are two vacuum ports. I have my servo hooked to the one on the right. If I understood correctly this is the one I should use. The other one on the rear is hooked to the rear of the vacuum advance and the vacuum port on the left side is hooked to the front of the vacuum advance. That being said, I can adjust the servo screw on the top and the transmission does not "jump" into gear. However, when I adjust the screw to the point that it feels correct, the rear raises up slightly. Is this correct? I feel like I am driving Herbie. I also saw your post on the servo adjuster with the locknut, and have yet to find that, but did not want to touch it without talking to you first. I really feel the sluggishness is due to the remaining two vacuum lines that go to the distributor being backward. I would appreciate any help you could give.
vwjohn,
Welcome aboard! From your description your carby hoses appear to be correct. What distributor have you got? The vacuum can is a Dual Vacuum type and *may* be blown, leading to "sluggishness". The same can be said for any timing issues you may have. The 34 Pict 3 is a notoriously fiddly & sensitive beast when new, a horror to adjust when worn.
The adjuster screw on top of the CV affects the speed of the shift, not whether it will thump or not. The correct vac signal from the carb stops the thump. Because it is much like an auto you will feel it when selecting a gear from neutral at standstill. With the VW engine/Gb config, yes it will "lift" the rear when engaged. If you had a "thump" you'd know it, believe me it's not subtle.
If your selection of gears doen't cause grinding, best leave the servo adjustment alone, unless you are a new owner and are now in the throes of finding out what the PO has done.
So....what carby is actually on your car, and can you read off the numbers on your dissy? Plenty of shots of a 205AH down in my little spiel in the DIY section.
HTH
Volkenstein
WOW! that was a fast response. I am getting ready for bed but wanted to reply. I have a SOLEX 130-31 PICT 1 carby. I just looked at the points and thankfully I ordered a couple of extra sets right after I bought this baby. Kinda hard to find an autostick these days.
I am going to do a tune-up hopefully this week. I am waiting for a dwell / tach meter to come in from Harbor Freight. I will let you know if the tune-up solved the problem with the sluggishness.
I was unaware that the "lift" in the rear was normal. The PO said that it was but the PO also had the vacuum line for the servo completely disconnected as well. I had a 63 Beetle and a 64 Kharman Ghia many years ago but the autostick is very new to me.
Let me say that this is an excellent site and I very much appreciate the assistance. I will let you know how I make out after the tune-up. Have a good evening and thanks again.
Hiya John,
Allow me also to welcome you to the site!
You are in good hands following Sean's advice.
One item I'd offer.............try to take pictures of your set-up. They are literally worth a thousand words and may allow us to see potential problems. Useful pictures will include the vacuum connections at the carburetor and control valve. An overall engine shot that is reasonably close can also be very good.
vwjohn,
I can have butterfingers ;D. Well, nitty gritty..the H30/31 doesn't play ball with ANY distributor other than a specifically curved one. AC.Net sell them and Mike (Bookwus) will vouch for their quality. Assuming you have a 113905205AH distributor you can score a manual car's 34 Pict 3 and modify it to suit. New or Reco or whatever. The H30/31 is an OK economy carb but has all the adjustment foibles of a 34Pict3 while delivering an incorrect vacuum signal.
HTH
Volkenstein
I tried to attach a photo of the engine but was unable to accomplish. I tried the help screen but no luck. I probably won't receive my dwell meter until this weekend so will wait for the tume up til that comes in. After I have ruled out the tune up issue, timing, etc, I will let you know where we stand. Also, I tried to find AC.Net but could not locate it. Thanks again and I will keep in touch.
Hiya John,
Pictures............you first need to place your picture in a picture hosting website. I use Photobucket at http://photobucket.com but there are quite a few of these photo hosting sites.
Once you have yourself registered and logged into that site, you can fetch a digital image from your computer. The picture will be given four addresses. One of those addresses is a "direct link". All you need to do is to highlight that direct link and copy it under Edit in your toolbar. Then come on back to VWAR. At the top of the "Post Reply" window are two rows of icons. The second icon in the second row allows you to post pictures. Just select that icon and your cursor will be "framed" with the picture commands. Then all you do is hit paste under Edit in your toolbar and your posted reply will have the picture you selected.
aircooled.net can be accessed at http://www.aircooled.net
Here is the engine pic. If you would like to see more please let me know.http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee325/vwjohn_photo/P9010026.jpg (http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee325/vwjohn_photo/P9010026.jpg)
Me again. I just checked a 1972 VW Super Beetle that someone gave to me (4 speed) and it has a 34PICT-3 carby on it. If I understand you correctly I need to use the PICT-3 on my autostick and drill out the third port. Could you tell me please where the procedure is for this? I read in one of your posts there is a procedure but could not find it. Thanks.
Hiya John,
The carburetor in your picture is hooked correctly to the control valve.
However, if I understand the rest of your post, you are interested in drilling another carburetor (a 34PICT3) for use on an AutoStick. Correct?
For starters...............you actually want to use two different sized drill bits for this job. One.....drill partway thru the carb body with the larger drill bit. Then finish out with the smaller bit. This will leave a "shoulder" inside the hole. This shoulder will act as a stop when you tap in the brass vacuum nipple. And.......the smaller portion of the hole acts as a vacuum restrictor which is very desireable in this case.
Remove the carburetor from the intake manifold. Drilling while the carb is mounted is asking for trouble.
Get a piece of tape and wrap it around a 9/64 drill bit 1/2 inch from the tip of the bit. Drill into the boss hole no further than your stop tape. You'll find that you won't go very far into the carb body, but the 9/64 does two important things for you. It cleans out the boss hole and it will leave a convex cut at the base of the hole which will make it very easy to center your next drill bit - a 3/32. This one you drill all the way through to the carburetor throat. Be sure to file off any drill tailings in the carb throat. Drilling through the carb body is very easy.
Secure a vacuum port nipple (auto parts store item) and a plastic cap to fit a nipple.
Tap the brass vacuum port nipple into place and hook up your small CV vacuum hose.
That should do it for you. Questions?
Yes just one to make sure. I really should have a PICT 3 carby instead of a PICT 1, correct? Just want to make sure before I go through replacing the PICT 1. It still goes into gear hard with the PICT 1 and it sounds like the PICT 3 will correct that. Sorry to be a pest. Thanks.
Hiya John,
Hmmmmm.........well actually it's not so much the choice of carburetor as it is using the correct vacuum port. You could get a 30PICT1, a 30 PICT2, a 30PICT3, an aftermarket 30/31, or a 34PICT3 to work in this application.
However since you have a dual port engine (as witnessed in your picture) the 34PICT3 is going to be the correct carburetor to use. But it will have to have that all-important AS vacuum port (even if you have to drill it) for the carburetor to work ("play nicely") correctly in conjunction with the control valve.
Well, I tuned it up and I appear to have a flooding carbureator, per one of your posts. Here is what I have done.
1. I replaced all of the ignition parts, coil, plugs, points, condenser, cap, rotor and wires.
2. I had to replace the vacuum advance with a single port one that I have as the dual port one was frozen. The new one does work. I used the left hand side of the rear facing vacuum ports on the carb for this and plugged the side vacuum port. If this is incorrect please let me know.
I am now going to check the carb bowl to see what the level of gas is as I am blowing smoke and it smells like extra fuel. When I attempt to throttle up I also get back firing. I am unable to set the timing to 5 dbtdc as it will stall. If you have any other suggestions please let me know. I have not gotten to the point of checking going into gear yet as I need the engine to run properly first.
vwjohn
I changed the carb with the PICT 3 I had extra and the accelleration sitting still is great. no misses and no smoke. Looks like the accelerator pump was bad on the PICT 1. I did have a hard time setting the timing, but that will be easier when I get the dwell meter this weekend. Also, when I changed to the PICT 3 ( per your suggestion earlier) The car now shifts into gear very smoothly. I will road test it and let you know how I make out.
Thank you for all of your help! THis is a great forum and I am sure I will be asking for more assistance later on.
vwjohn,
QuoteI had to replace the vacuum advance with a single port one
That will cause you some grief. You have to set timing according to distributor type. A stock DVDA will be set at 5Deg ATDC with both hoses connected @ idle, an 043C (later SVDA) must be set at 7.5Deg BTDC with vacuum hose off & plugged at the carb.
Also, I think you have the wrong port for vac advance.
So....knit & macrame, find the distributor numbers (facing the fuel pump on distributor body) and tell us what they are. You would actually be better off pinching the DVDA off the '72 manual provided it isn't stuffed...
HTH
Volkenstein
Hi Guys
Did We have the DVDA on any of Our aussie beetles Sean ?
or were they only on emission control cars in the USA
Lee
Lee,
The SP manuals list the DVDA's and I have seen a '71 Autostick in a VW yard with one fitted. I wish I had of paid more attention at the German Autofest 2 years ago. A guy had a '72 or '73 there that had done 34,000 klms :o . Mint...
But as you well know, so many 009's have been fitted over the years.
Regards
Sean
Sorry. Forgot to give you the distributor #'s. Here is everything in order:
JFUR4
0231167053
113905215AH
I also took new pics of the carb and dist. Let me know what you think.
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I also have one more question and could not find the answer in the forum. All of my wiring to the rear lights was fried and I had to replace. The only ones I have not replaced is the back up light wiring. I did replace the fuse (8a) on the shroud but still no lights. I just need to know where to look underneath, ie; pass side, front, rear etc... Thanks
Hiya John,
You may find the following of use...............
Beetle 1971-1973 * 1600 Auto-Stick Trans
Distributor: VW 113-905-205AH, Bosch 0231 167 053 > 043-905-205D, 0231 176 033
Can Use: VW 043-905-205D, Bosch 0231 176 033, 211-905-205Q, 0231 167 055, 211-905-205S, 0231 173 001
Points: 01 011
Points Replacement Plate Assy: VW 311-905-227C, Bosch 1237 110 161
Condensor: 02 054
Rotor: 04 033
Dust Cover: 039-905-241, Bosch 1230 500 139 > 1230 500 147
Cap: 03 010
Distributor Cap Clip: 034-905-265, Bosch 1231 251 033
Parts Kit (Shims, Washers & Hardware): 059-998-211, Bosch 1237 010 007
Coil: 00 015 (Blue Coil: 00 012)
Vacuum Can: 07 092
Ignition Wires: 09 001
Spark Plug: W8AC
Timing Set At:: 5deg ATDC @ 800-950rpm w/strobe, vacuum hose(s) connected.
Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 2-5deg Adv, 11-13deg Ret; Centrifugal: 12-16deg @ 2200rpm, 22-25deg @ 3800rpm
Do you still think I have the vacuum advance hooked up wrong? Just want to ask as there is one other port at the bottom of the carby. Also, with the dist I am using, should the timing actually be 7.5 degrees btdc? That would be about where this engine runs really well. Thanks.
vwjohn,
I is confused ???...You said this earlier -
Quoteas the dual port one was frozen
. So which distributor was it?
The 205AH is correct for your year, sorry can't see the piccies from work.
So which distributor is working and is it on the car?. Timing is distributor type dependant.
HTH
Volkenstein
vwjohn,
So, I've seen the pics. The vacuum lines look all correct in your pics. I hope that distributor is not the 113905205AH you've quoted. If it is, it has been badly butchered.
Wiring? Here : http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/wiring/bug_super_71.jpg
The 8a fuse goes to the Reverse light switch on your trans (pass side in your LHD car) and feeds the lights via a 3 way or "T" connector. That connector should be near the ATF reservoir neck in pics I have seen. I don't have it as Reverse lights were not mandatory in Aus for '71. Anyway each side of the "T" feeds black wires which connect to the blue reverse light wires.
HTH
Volkenstein
HI. When you say butchered for the dist, do you mean the vacuum advance? I pulled one off of another dist just to see if it would work. It seems to but I would really like to get a new dual port advance for it to normal it up. I checked the usual websites but they all want to sell a complete distributor. Is there a site you could recommend to get just an advance unit?
vwjohn
Hiya John,
You might want to try contacting Philbin Manufacturing here in Portland.
Philbin rebuilds distributors (and you might want to check out their rebuilt distributors) and is likely to have what you need, a 07 092 vacuum can.
Check 'em out at
http://www.philbingroup.com/
vwjohn,
OK, I'm almost on the same page. The vac can in your pic was AFTER you'd swapped it for the SP one.
By all means try those guys Mike has linked to. I know one other place that has one, but the price is maybe $30US short of buying a brand new SVDA from www.Aircooled.net . What distributor is on the '72 4 Speed? In a pinch you could use it if it is still a DVDA type while you get things sorted out.
Regards
Volkenstein
Thank you for the info. The dist on the 72 sadly does not have a vacuum advance. It uses only a cent adv. I do not believe the engine is original. The spare motor I was given is where I pulled the advance from. I will have to get you the numbers off of it and send to you. I may just end up ordering a new svda from aircooled.net. I will get back to you with the numbers.
Thanks,
vwjohn
Finally got the #'s from the other dist (from the spare engine out of an autostick):
jfu4
0231170036
043 905 205 A
If you think it I should use this one instead please let me know.I can always put te vac advance back on it.
Thanks,
VWJohn
Hiya John,
Insofar as I can tell the 043 905 205A is an exclusive application.
Most of the distributors allowed for a little interplay. In other words the factory suggested one might be able to be used in place of another. Not so with your 205A. It is exclusive to the 1974 Federal 1600 AutoStick. It is listed in no other applications I can find. It is definitely listed not for the 1971 AS engine
Ok. I will keep the one I have until the new one arrives. Seens to work ok for now.Thanks for the help!
VWJohn
Hi. I finally got my hands on an SVDA Distributor (new) from the site you recommended and also replaced the carb with a new EMPI one. BIG difference! I set the timing to 7.5btdc (5atdc would not run). The car runs almost perfect, except sounds like the engine is "rolling". I still have to adjust the valves (you can hear the click-click-click) and from your forums that is the most likely culprit. I will let you know how I make out.
VWJohn
VWjohn,
7.5 BTDC (and make sure, don't trust the engine pulley as you never know if it is OG or not), hose disconnected and plugged is
correct for that distributor for initial timing setting.
As for the EMPI carb, anecdotal reports suggest a thorough strip/clean before fitting is the order of the day, as well as checking jet sizes as compared to your original carb.
Sounds like it's running a whole lot better now anyway!
Regards
Volkenstein
Money well spent...
after the tappets have been adjusted and checked and adjusted and
checked again... [ I hate that job]
You engine should be going great...
good news..
Lee
PS: Any Pics..?
HI. I will send pics when I get this done. I have a question though. I found a couple of forums concerning timing and one said 3/8" before split in the block and the other said 1/2". Which would be better for 7.5 BTDC? I only have one "V" in the pulley. It really runs well now but want to get it set right as I know once I adjust the valves it will throw this off.
Thanks,
VWJohn
Now with a 009 distributor with No vacuum advance
the timing is set at Maximum advance of 28-30 degrees BTDC
So using a strobe timing lamp - if your distributor will get up around that at maximum revs
it should ?? idle OK.... this is guess work ....
as the 009 distributors cannot be timed at idle...
the valve timing needs to be done about every 2nd oil change - at 6000miles or less..
many people in Australia do the timing at every oil change...
some at 2000KM ..
cheers
LEE
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Sorry it's been so long. Little medical issue to take care of. I wanted to send you some photo's of the beetle and tell you where I stand with it. I had to buy a new carb and distributor as I prev mentioned. That made a HUGE improvement!. Now onto the last issue. It appears as though I need to follow your procedure to drill out the vacuum port. The one existing does not supply the correct vacuum signal to the servo and the clutch slams into gear. I am hoping for a semi-warm day to get that done, but I may have to wait a while. We are supposed to get snow tomorrow. Anyway, Here are a couple of pics. Hope you enjoy them. The interior is incomplete as the weather changed and I was not able to finish. I will be completing sometime next year.
Thanks for all of your assistance and Happy Holidays!
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Hiya John,
Are we having fun yet?
Yes, but really had a problem with attaching photo's of bug. At least you can copy and paste the address in and get a good look at it. I will let you know when I get the carb drilled out.
VWJohn