Engine Removal Update- New Pictures

[greenghia]

Hi Airhead,  Well the plot certainly thickens as they say.  I know it is a lot of trouble but could you get any better pictures of the seal.  Additionally a picture of the front and back of the one way clutch support. Are you working outside? There looks like a lot of dirt on the socket head screw in the picture showing the O-ring. Was there a gasket between the bellhousing and the clutch support and how tight were the socket screws? It may have been leaking there by the look of the socket screws.  The boss on the carrier plate looked a little messed up to me, could you wipe it off and let us take another look at it?  A very small scar/rough place where the seal rides will surely cause a leak.  We may not have been on the same page about the seal, the seal should have a fairly sharp ridge, the boss should be perfectly smooth.  Let us know what happens.  It is fixable.

[Airhead]

Ok Ive taken some more pictures

Main drive shaft seal


Gasket

Turbine shaft seal


One way clutch support


There is some existing damage to the edge of the clutch support but it doesnt breach the seal



I really dont know what to do Im concerned that I cant get the seals, Im being pulled over to the darkside
- manual conversion (only kidding  Im not beaten yet) its really frustrating.

Airhead

[volkenstein]

Airhead,
          So what is the word with the suppliers? Have they got any?
Steve has paper gaskets (he had a batch made) IIRC. You could re-use the one you've got, it looks OK.
That bearing does look a little shitty. Try and get an FAG (NOT Portuguese FAG!!!) or RHP replacement (C3 spec!) if you desire.

I'm hornswoggled that your TC support tube has an Oring on it . I have two and they haven't got the groove! With that bruising, get a small millsaw file and gently smooth the dings.

I honestly believe you are at the stage of seriously weighing up the cost of a second hand trans (and condition = ?) versus ploughing blood, sweat, tears and folding green into the one you have.


Regards
Sean

[greenghia]

Hi again,   I was looking at the pics and it looks like someone has been in there monkeying around.  Where the heck did all that debris come from, it looks like metal. It seems to be on the main bearing and is in all the housings.  It is possible that they are pieces of the torque converter. I would spin the torque converter around and then pour the oil out of the into something so that I could check for any metal at all.  The good news is that the seals and all may still be perfectly good. You just keep getting pieces of metal in the way causing leaks. If you don't find any metal in the oil then I agree with Sean that a replacement autostick trans may be the easiest way to go from here. They are not that hard to find and it would keep you from being drawn over to the dark side!!!  If those are bits of metal you must find out where they are coming from or another failure is likely. (could be part of the pump also).

[68autobug]

Hi Folks
the metal certainly looks like steel...
can a torque converter spit out steel bits.??
wouldn't the brass bushes wear out first???

after seeing those pics, I would certainly opt out for the used low mileage A/T..

I missed out on getting a seal from stokers...
someone else beat me to it...
although it would have been for a spare...

the seal number You quoted Sean from Volksbahn...
is it the same dimentions??? as the original...

I usually get on around midnight local, but My ISP [My Son] downloads or does something
starting at midnight to 1.30am.....lol..  which means i can't access any websites...
After telling Him of my problems...
and switching to Firefox ..
I've had no problems at all...

LEE

[Airhead]

Ive examined my torque convertor today and looked at the splines in the centre the first 10mm look to be totally sheared off
Im guessing that this is where the metal is coming from, how could this happen? Ive drawn a blank on the low mileage AS replacement tranny the
seller suddenly wants to double his price  so Im struggling to find a replacement despite placing a wanted ad on Vzi here in the UK so unsure what to do next



Airhead

[volkenstein]

Airhead,
           I've seen it happen before on a V8 when the trans had been sitting for ages and after bolting it up it stripped out the splines the first time it started.

Nasty, nasty stuff.

Do you reckon you still have a few mm of spline engagement?

Phil at one stage had some GB's he was picking and choosing from. Do you know if he has any still around?

You may be looking to source a TC from the USA if you exhaust your UK options.


HTH
Sean

[tmea]

Airhead:

Don't know the complete history here but if I were to guess I'd say that the TC was improperly seated (it is easy to do). It is ispossible to then bolt up the engine/flexplate and start it up. With the inner turbine inproperly seated on its spline and as a result forced/locked against the opposite side of the TC the only result is the stripped splines. That's my guess. For sure, you need a new TC. Don't think it is repairable.

Tom