Turbine shaft oil seal

[1302LS auto]

Does anyone know of a source for the oil seal for the clutch drive plate shaft, VW part number 001 301 137 A (corrected). I am currently rebuilding my BG code box to be as perfect as possible and I have been able to source every single part for the box that I need, new, except for this seal. At the moment I have two choices, $85 for a custom made Viton® seal or a reproduction item made as per the original. The only catch with the reproduction item is that I will have to order 300 so unless someone else wants one (or 20)... Currently I also have one way clutch gaskets and "O" rings being reproduced and a good source of almost every single spare part imaginable-except those seals! I have tried off the shelf 24x37x7 seals and these appear to fit perfectly, even being available in Viton® to withstand 200 degrees C, but the problem with these is the seal lip is set back 4-mm too far and consequently runs on the chamfer of the shaft and will leak.

[volkenstein]

1302LS,
          Is this the seal in the bellhousing behind the 6004 bearing? I haven't gone searching yet but that's not good news if an off the shelf one is a poor fit!

I gather you are US based? I'll dig up some links for seals you can try (may be worthless seeing as you're at the "custom made" stage :shock: ).

Lee (68Autobug) managed to locate some of the odd sized oil/atf pump seals from TCM seals, but he had to buy 20.

If you've replaced a lot of seals, is the pilot bearing seal readily available? It's the one in the clutch carrier plate that transmission input shaft goes into above the pilot bearing.


Regards
Volkenstein

[1302LS auto]

volkenstein,

I am in Nottingham, England. Yes, the seal I need is the one behind the 6004/C3 bearing (easily available from any bearing suppliers for only a few £'s). I think the bearing you refer to is the turbine shaft needle bearing 001 141 313 and its seal 001 141 311. I can still get a few of these but only one or two.

[volkenstein]

1302 LS,
           Have you had any joy with BSL Brammer? They have a massive catalogue and "appear" to have an enormous selection of seals.

Oh, thanks for the seal part No!


Regards
Volkenstein

[1302LS auto]

Never heard of them but they have an office in Nottingham and I have a week off from the hell of fixing VW's modern water-cooled rubbish so I will call them tomorrow. I will let you know how I get on.

[68AutoBug]

Hi 1302LS
As Volkenstein said, I had problems trying to buy the two oil seals inside the Engine oil/ATF dual pump on the engine.
They weren't available in Australia, but I found Dichtomatik was the company that made the seals and they have warehouses in many countries.  I had replies from Dichtomatik in a few countries.
I found they had warehouses in the USA, but don't sell to the public , and they don't sell single seals...
So, You could check their websites for the seal You need.
hopefully, its used in other applications in the USA..
the 6004C3 is a close tolerence bearing
[C3 bearings are usually used in gearboxes]
best of luck with Your seals.
Do You have a site for VW part numbers for autostick parts?

I have to replace My gearbox due to GL5 Hypoid oil sitting in the box for 10 years. I now find in the Bentley manual that hypoid oil is corrosive to the zinc VW used in brass/bronze bushes in the gearbox..
My gearbox is VERY noisy..
I do most things to My car, but I've never been game enough to undo a gearbox, although I checked the clutch etc out when I stripped the car 10 years ago, and then filled it with GL5 hypoid oil which was worse than GL4
which I can't source locally, although I've been told its still available.

cheers

Lee --  68AutoBug --  Australia --

http://community.webshots.com/user/vw68autobug



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[68AutoBug]

I have tried off the shelf 24x37x7 seals and these appear to fit perfectly, even being available in Viton® to withstand 200 degrees C, but the problem with these is the seal lip is set back 4-mm too far and consequently runs on the chamfer of the shaft and will leak.

No chance of using the seals back to front ...?
or reducing the thickness of the outer lip?

very frustrating when things aren't available....  and simple things...

best of Luck

Lee -- 68AutoBug -- Australia --

http://community.webshots.com/user/vw68autobug

[1302LS auto]

I will try the Dichtomatick angle but it looks like a Simrit BABSL or BAHDSN is going to be the way forward even if I have to have a batch made, NO COMPROMISES! I am lucky enough to still have my microfiche reader from years past and a 1983 copy of the 1302 fiche with all the part numbers on. I printed off the diagram from ETKA and put all the missing part numbers back in using Photoshop so I now have a quick reference sheet for part numbers. I am also adding alternative numbers to the file and when I am happy with it, I will post it. I use Red Line MTL, which is GL4 and gives me great results. You can get this from www.redlineoil.com.au. If I ran the seal in reverse, it would blow ATF well below the 3.62 bar running pressure.

[68AutoBug]

Hi
I haven't seen or heard of Redline oils..
I usually use Castrol oils, or Penrite which I think is Australian..
It sounds like You are a VW mechanic...
Not many of them left in Australia, as VW virtually disappeared down here after the poorly made locally produced 1976 Golf... disappeared...
and the VW dealers changed brands --

and VW part number crossovers have all but disappeared too..
I should have kept a few of the bearing/seal books I used at work
for identification... but I left work suddenly after I had a nervous breakdown...
so, I just write them down when i see them posted or written wherever..
I don't remember what seals I replaced when I pulled the gearbox clutch apart 10 years ago...

I have written down that the ATF pressure is 52.6 PSI..
maximum I presume.

best of luck with the seals..

there is at least one company in the USA overhauling these gearboxes/
They may have the seals - or You could sell them the seals if NLA..
I've been told You can still buy air cooled beetle parts New from some VW dealers in the USA..

All our parts come from aftermarket VW shops - here in Australia --

Lee -- 68AutoBug -- Australia

http://community.webshots.com/user/vw68autobug

[volkenstein]

1302LS,
          Another US place to try is www.metric-seals.com if Dichtomatik gives you no joy.

Unfortunately their downloadable catalog is way beyond my dialup capacity.

The guy who answered my email was pretty knowledgeable.

I've got a hold of my 24x37x7 seal and I'll wander around and see if anyone has a similar thing here. May take a while as I'll probably have to travel a long ways to get to the big places.

By all means post up the converted fiche once it's all sorted!


Volkenstein

[68AutoBug]

1302LS,
          Another US place to try is www.metric-seals.com if Dichtomatik gives you no joy.
Unfortunately their downloadable catalog is way beyond my dialup capacity.
The guy who answered my email was pretty knowledgeable.
I've got a hold of my 24x37x7 seal and I'll wander around and see if anyone has a similar thing here. May take a while as I'll probably have to travel a long ways to get to the big places.

By all means post up the converted fiche once it's all sorted!
Volkenstein

Yes, I'd love a copy of that list...
and I'll have to start looking for one of those seals for My replacement gearbox..
I was thinking of just installing it, [after replacing the torque converter oil seal] but I should do that one too...
no good having to take the gearbox out because of a leak...

Lee

http://community.webshots.com/user/vw68autobug

[68AutoBug]

Sean,
I just looked at the Metric seals site and they list an oil seal
24x37x7 mm

but I believe 1302SL did find some of those but the centre was wrong..
so, it sounds like the centre is offset, or NOT offset...

Lee

[1302LS auto]

I have come to the conclusion that Smrit/CFW are the only people who are going to be able to help with their BABSL type seal. I am waiting for a reply to a "how many, how much" question. My name is Steve by the way.

[68AutoBug]

Hi Steve,
I've asked a fellow in the USA to look out for those seals...
do You know if parts in the 1968 autostick gearbox were different to the ones used in the 1302 Beetle?

I'd love to see a parts book on them..

I don't know if i replaced the 001 301 137A seal in My gearbox 10 years ago when I pulled the clutch part out...
but i'm replacing My gearbox soon , so I may need one of those seals.

I bought all the seals then thru where i worked...
as I sold seals and bearings back then...

cheers

Lee   68AutoBug

http://community.webshots.com/user/vw68autobug

[1302LS auto]

Well at the moment, I am going down the road of using a Simrit Babsl 25x37x6 and I am having the turbine shaft sleeved to take the seal surface diameter to 25-mm and I hope it works to the theory! That should see that part accomplished and every other part is now sourced except for one shift fork. I have managed to find the last two input shaft seals in existence and some of the other parts are the last anywhere that I can find. So far, the parts/services bill is nudging £1000 and that is with me building it. I had the four case parts ultrasonically cleaned and bead blasted last week and I have given them an alkaline, then acid and then solvent three stage clean and air line blast and before assembly I will soak them in brake cleaner and again air blast them so hopefully they will be clean. There is some cosmetic corrosion damage to the casings that I will fill with Loctite liquid metal and after it's built I will spray it with Eastwood Aluma Blast and then with clear lacquer. It should last longer than me then with a fill of Red Line MTL and Slick 50. I had all the steel parts such as oil pan and servo bracket blasted, polished, yellow zinc plated, and powder coated a few years back so they look great. They should be resistant to the huge amounts of salt our anal retentive local councils spread all over the road each winter to cope with the annual 1 cm snow fall and extreme low temperatures of around -3°c max-why has the once greatest nation on earth suddenly become such a bunch of puffs?