used parts

Wally · 15 December 2007, 03:42

I have 2 complete sets of auto stick parts including,wireing,axles even the gear shift and pedal cluster. One set I removed from a 1973 super and it was working good. The other is from and older beetle but it seems to be in good shape. Will sell as part or complete. My location is Alberta, Canada.

Bookwus · 15 December 2007, 06:26

Hiya Wally,

Welcome to the forum!

Do you have the oil/ATF pumps from both the cars?

Wally · 15 December 2007, 17:10

Yes I do have both pumps not sure of condition. One was working at time of removable.

Wally

Bookwus · 15 December 2007, 18:34

Hiya Wally,

Great! You mentioned in your first post that besides your 73 Super your other car was an older Beetle. Do you know what year? The concern here is that VW changed the oil/ATF pump in 1970 (IIRC) to accomodate the dished cam. So, the two pumps that you have could be different. If you do not know the year of the earlier car, would it be possible for you to eyeball the two pumps side-by-side (or post pictures) and make note of their nine digit VW parts numbers?

Thanks!

Wally · 16 December 2007, 22:22

Hi Mike.
The newer pump is sold. The older one has the following numbers on the case. 113315 233A There is some wear on the blade of the shaft that goes in the cam shaft. If I have time tomorrow I will take a look atr the gears etc and see what condition they are in.

Wally

Achilles · 17 December 2007, 18:14

Wally yes I am interested in the shift rod from the frame tunnel of that '73 Super if you still have it, please say you do.

And if by chance that includes the spring from the trans end of the tunnel, that would indeed make my Christmas a very joyous one.

Please check your email.

Thx,
Larry

Bookwus · 17 December 2007, 19:13

Hiya Larry,

I take it that you have yet to find a suitable replacement for that shift rod return spring?

Achilles · 17 December 2007, 20:44

Quote from: Bookwus on 17 December 2007, 19:13
Hiya Larry,

I take it that you have yet to find a suitable replacement for that shift rod return spring?

Actually, I have - I've done two things, Mike: 1) I used some JB Weld on the spring you sent me; that's my primary option. It is serviceable. 2) found a spring of nearly identical dimensions in a drum brake rebuild kit from my old Vanagon, crimped the ends and it is nearly perfect as well.

Otherwise, I am just hoarding AS parts. Tell me you're not.

Wally · 17 December 2007, 23:32

Mike, or anyone else that's interested. I took the pump apart, cleaned it up and it looks perfect inside. No wear on the gears or the shafts. I can't explain the odd wear on the blade or tang that goes into the cam.

Wally

Bookwus · 17 December 2007, 23:49

Hiya Wally,

I have to do a little checking on that 233A pump. I need to know if it will fit a dished cam. I'm driving a 70 but the engine is out of a 73. I'll do some research and get back to you.

Oh.........anybody out there reading this right now know if a 233A pump will fit a dished cam?

Wally · 18 December 2007, 03:29

Mike. Your question re dished cam. That may be why this pump has the odd wear on the shaft that goes to the cam. The wear looks like it was only making very little contact to the slot in the cam. My 1970 beetle has the same pump # and the motor is apparently the original.

Wally

volkenstein · 22 December 2007, 06:08

Ladz,
You're reading the ATF pump numbers me thinks. It is the same across all years.

A 1600 SP pump ('70, before the change to dished cams) has No's 113 115 109 A. This is found on the upper rear section of the pump housing that faces the cam. It should have 8mm stud holes, 21mm main gears, and the large (15mm?) inlet in the side.

A 1600 DP pump has No's 113 115 109 B. It has the 8mm stud holes but 26mm main gears and again the large inlet.

Holding both side by side, the "A" pump is maybe 1.5mm shorter in the main body but that is the only blindingly obvious difference.

The tang wear is usually just on the faces that take the camshafts driving pressure. A really hideously worn one and I'd suspect misalignment or cam wobbles.

HTH
Volkenstein

PS. If you want pics, let me know and I'll get around to it.